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dtaker
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Get here: https://bhms.racesimcentral.net/download/14444
Successor to the WRC Setups. Major changes to suspension to get it much closer to reality, and faster, but otherwise, should handle the same.
Bonus: P206 WRC '06 physics. A default p206 '03 with '06 tires, like the one used in '06 Swedish Rally.
Note: Don't get too excited with this setups too soon. It takes a while to get adjusted to as it handles very differently from the default setups. But in time, it will handle very much like the cars you watch in Eurosport!
Post your comments here or in the DL link, thanks!
And thanks to everyone who participated in the poll long time ago, you've been credited accordingly in the readme and I tried to implement as much of your suggestions as possible 
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Flight
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Thank you D'Taker. Looking forward to trying them out. Nice to see some RBR news.
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2re
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Jirik
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 13:27 |
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Good news dtaker:)
Looking forward to try those setups out. Definitely liked the previous ones, maybe with the exception of snow setup - I just couldn't get used to that - too much understeer under braking and resulting difficult turn-in. Otherwise, especially on gravel, those setups did certainly rock! So much stability, control and speed is pretty difficult package to get into a single setup. Not to mention the overall looks of the driving.
Did you think about making setups for Group N or S1600?
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dtaker
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@2re, yes, you could just change the gearing or anything with the setups and it will be saved together with the WRC setup pack, not with the original RBR default.
I wouldn't be able to touch RBR for the meantime  but I looked carefully at your tarmac setups. I'm absolutely sure it will be more stable than the wrc setup, and more oversteer to a LOT when you dab the brakes 
My only concern is the low brake settings at the front. If it gets you faster, it should be ok. But sometimes the extra force is needed to compensate brake fade when you desperately need to stop quickly
@Jirik, the new setups will certainly have more oversteer on braking, for both gravel and snow. But if you're having problems on snow, I don't think the more oversteer will really help. I wish I could give you a replay but I can't touch RBR. I could show you how to correctly oversteer on snow even on 'kay' turns without using the handbrake. If this would help, proper use of trail braking or LFB, throttle/lift off, and steering will get you through all tight corners without use of handbrake
Anyway, thanks guys for your feedbacks.
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Jirik
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That's exactly what I was trying. I think the problem is too much brake bias at the front. No problem correcting that but then the cars loses some stability. Well, it's about compromise, so some testing and tweaking should do the trick. I also found that softer springs coupled with some work to the dampers can bring some benefits to handling and overall car balance on snow. But it's just my personal preference. Anyway, hope to try out those new setups soon (during the weekend, yahhoooo:). I'll keep you posted. And that video would be nice. When you're free to rock'n'roll again, send me one of those. Thanks.
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dtaker
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Yes, softer springs + matching damper settings, can bring rather 'huge' improvements to car handling, driving confidence and stability, faster stage times if you wish. Because I've already tried that a week before WRC setup 2 was final while keeping the alignments intact But still, I had to keep my priorities straight, keep the car from bottoming and pitching excessively to keep it looking as realistic as possible.. and it really enhanced many handling characteristics that I'm happy to demo by the right footwork, anticipation, and steering.
But that won't happen soon, I might go back to RBR by start of 2008. Career issues..
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razordriver
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Again something to play with.
So I set today everything up for a test of your new setups.As usual I tested with the impreza 06.
First on the order were my favorite stages Nokier II and Pirka Menoko.
The setups are faster no doubt, wasn't driving at the limit and broke the record by 0.2 seconds.If I attack the stage , 2 sec are in, I am sure.
Yes the handling is not much diferent than your previus setups, but
there are some little things you don't notice at first.
There is more grip and the car is more predictable, it goes where you place
it.But the negative sides are that the car is unstable over bumps, so you cant take them full speed anymore(which is good and realistic IMO)
and the car is now very hard to drive over the limit.
About understeer, I think its not that bad than in the 1st WRC pack.There
the car understeered and you had little chance to recover if you were
runing out of road.But now the car understeers only if your over the limit.
I noticed on some long turns in japan , you can take them by only steering
them , no need to bring the car to oversteer.
So I have to say , unlike others , that i have no problem with understeer.
Tarmac.
Driving so much gravel lately , I dont like tarmac anymore , dunno why.
So I didnt tested so much.Thing I noticed is that it is more responsive
at high speeds, I remember before the car was lazy at turn in high speed
corners , but not anymore.You just need to be a little more carefull now
on tarmac, but again more grip, speed, control.
And the car is so low , which looks bad ass in replays , but it aint bottoming
out.Thats a mistery to me, how you did that .
Snow.
Hmmmm , the car was very sensitive to steering imput, had to lower the steering lock to get a better feeling.But here I didnt noticed much diference
from your previus setups.Have to test more.
D'taker can you give me some tips on how to transform your setups to
wet setups?There is not much grip in wet. I tryed a little longer /softer
springs , and less antiroll bar at front , but I still have huge understeer
in wet conditions.
Thanks D'taker for your work again, but you know Iam changing to the
Ford factory team soon , replacing Hirvonen , so........ 
The best part of this setups is the readme 
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dtaker
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 08:49 |
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..But the negative sides are that the car is unstable over bumps, so you cant take them full speed anymore(which is good and realistic IMO)
and the car is now very hard to drive over the limit. |
You suggested it before in the WRC setup review you did. You said something like 'compromise some stability over bumps in preference to more grip in corners' You we're absolutely right in that suggestion. You can't have both good things at the same time, it's possible but chances of getting the right combinations is very small.
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I noticed on some long turns in japan , you can take them by only steering
them , no need to bring the car to oversteer.
So I have to say , unlike others , that i have no problem with understeer. |
I've mentioned it in readme. This is what most people will miss if they don't read readme. Glad, you did it right.
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And the car is so low , which looks bad ass in replays , but it aint bottoming
out.Thats a mistery to me, how you did that . |
Stiffer springs, and longer and stiffer helper springs. Dampers were tweaked, but not made stiffer in bumps and fast bumps. This is also due to longer suspension travel, thanks to longer helper springs. This extends the wheel farther down, when the car gets airborne. So letting the dampers work a lot during landings to cushion a large portion of the impact and finally, work goes to the stiffer springs.
If you observe very carefully, especially Rally New Zealand(gravel) and Germany(tarmac). Some of the cars seemed to have been setup 'too low for comfort', but they had really long suspension travel. So I tried to copy the behavior in RBR as close as possible and the benefits in grip is something I've never achieved before, in addition to preventing bottoming.
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Snow.
Hmmmm , the car was very sensitive to steering imput, had to lower the steering lock to get a better feeling.But here I didnt noticed much diference
from your previus setups.Have to test more. |
Longer and stiffer helper springs made it so. Remember that in Finland stages where there are tons of crests and jumps. The longer suspension travel due to longer helper springs, meant that the wheel spends less time airborne, hence, you ultimately get more grip. I hope it did the same thing to gravel.
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D'taker can you give me some tips on how to transform your setups to
wet setups?There is not much grip in wet. I tryed a little longer /softer
springs , and less antiroll bar at front , but I still have huge understeer
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I had no suggestion atm, other than what you already did, which is correct. In addition to lowering torque bias to front diffs, to have more grip at the front if you're LFBing. Lowering the read diff torque might be good to. But I usually trail brake more when conditions become very slippy as it gives more grip to the front wheels, rather than just slipping the rear wheels in LFBing.
I'm glad you're moving over to Ford team.. But I will not be able to touch RBR another 6 months or more, other than busi-ness on something, I'm planning on moving someplace else. So there's nothing I could do to Ford '06 setups. I'd love to but I just cant Sorry man. Anyway, thank you for your review, it's comprehensive and really useful
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