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posted by: Jure Zagoricnik
Tony is the same with his modeling, he doesn't start a model until he has hundreds of pictures of all parts of the cars, has blueprints to work from and a complete set of measurements (that goes for buses as well). Although, he doesn't knock out cars as fast as Jure and Ricardo, there is a lot more that has to go into the cars in design of the model which isn't needed if being done purely for rendering purposes. The cars also need to be built to work with the 3d engine in the best way possible, making materials match textures, applying extra maps for extra shader info, collisions info etc, as well as full rigging. As Tony says often we arnt interested in doing RL as quick as possible but as good as possible...
link : https://www.west-racing.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=2395
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henrico
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 13:11 |
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I think its a joke that some of you are sending them what essentially is hate mail. I dont think any of us could do what theyre doing or be willing to, so just be happy that someone out there is making what could be one of the best racing games ever and shutupa your face until its out.  |
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Sandeep Banerjee
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This is one update I am pleased to say, that I actually don't scorn at...sounds sincere to me. When I clicked the link, I thought this was gonna be another joke...like...details of Graham Hill's underwear and nasal hair as many suggested in the forums. 
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DocRay
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 18:55 |
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The Wests and RL is such a bloody soap opera. There is no reason why they should have a website all, nevermind the forums.
Either make a game or don't , but this is still a lot about nothing. |
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kooldakracing
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 18:59 |
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I pretty much agree with henrico. I don't know why folks get so cranked up about the West Bros. efforts. I personally have lost nothing by reading and looking at the West's site. They have some very impressive graphics.
The bottom line is that Westies told everyone months ago how people should take their efforts.
| West-Racing web site, Aug. 7, 2003 wrote: |
There seem to be a number of people who, for whatever reason, take exception to what we are trying to do and take it all very seriously. We are absolutely the first people to say that Racing Legends should be taken for what it is currently and that is simply words, pictures and promises of what we hope to deliver. And words mean nothing, some of the pictures are quite nice I feel, but again mean nothing. Until there is something to try Racing Legends will continue to be words and pictures and should be taken that way.
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So I take them at their word. I am looking at words and pictures and if they develop something, that will be great. If they don't, no skin off my back.
Like Sandeep, I thought that the writeup in the forum was pretty genuine. So I gotta give 'em that much.
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DocRay
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This is what West said:
So why don't we post more often? Well it's simply that there isn't anything to post about.
Damn right, and no reason to have a website at all, so take it down, It's been two years of this tripe now. The Wests have never released anything. Ever. No reason to believe they ever will. They should just submit pretty renders to sites at BHM, but by a few months, this will all be pointless with Live for Speed and NetKar already in reality and running.
Any idiot can setup a webpage. West Racing is a WOMFT. |
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Jeff97x
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Do any of you have the littlest clue as to how much work a game is? Anyone?? I do. Most major game companies have anywhere from 10 to 30 people working on a game at once. Each man takes a certain area and works on it. It takes at least 2 years to complete a 'good' game. West Brothers is a 2 man team. It�s been 2 years yes and nothing but renders, but what do you expect from 2 guys doing a job that should have 30? For what they want even with a 30 man team the game would take up to 3 years to complete because of the work. Also a lot of game companies use pre-made game engines which cuts down the work by a year or two. West�s started with nothing but a blank notepad.
As for WSC. Don�t blame west it was not there doing it was canned. WSC was on track till Empire wanted to turn it into Total Immersion Racing and West�s said no so Empire canned them. All legal crap was thrown around till the west said no more have the game it�s yours. Since then many companies have asked Empire if they could finish WSC and the answer has been no or show me the couple mill and it�s yours but we get 75% of the profit.
Think about it. Chris's post was far from BS. It was him trying to explain himself and there company on the past and future. As for the Website thing being for information only and people ragging on him for that. What the hell do you think the 40 billion website on the net are for? INFORMATION!! They did not think the game would get that much coverage that fast. The game was prolly meant to be secret for awhile till they had something to show. But the heard of animals came and turned the place into hell. The game would prolly still be secret if it was not for them creating that website. The reason for adding renders here and there are for telling people to back off we are still here and showing that they are working. The people that say wests are full of themselves they will be the first ones saying "Oh you guys rock this game is the greatest ever made" You watch. I have all the faith in the world in what they are doing. All I am left to say to them is "Good work" |
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kooldakracing
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 18:48 |
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Anyone????  C'mon now!
I only see one negative poster in this thread. So what do you mean? IMHO, like any unknown entity, these guys don't desereve to be praised to the high heavens until they prove themselves. After all, WSC or no, the Westies have not yet put out a product. But neither am I going to condem them until they deserve THAT. I thought that the quote I posted from Westies themselves said it very well and am more than willing to go along with that perspective - AS THEY ASKED.
To sum up previous posts for you since you seem to think we are all anti-West Bros. -
1. henrico said it was wrong to be sending Westies hate mail. I agreed. Not negative.
2. Sandeep said he thought that Chris' post was genuine, I agreed. Sarcastic, but not negative.
3. I said Westies told us to chill and enjoy what they gave us and not to expect more until it appeared. That makes sense to me. Not negative.
4. DocRay took a different approach - and you may have a disagreement with him. But he didn't take any of the posters to task, just the Westies. He is entitled to his opinion even if I, or you, don't agree with him.
And, oh - 
I have been a professional programmer since the mid-eighties (successful enough to retire VERY early  ) and my wife is a professional graphic artist. Granted, I have never programmed a game, but programming is programming and I have some very major projects in my (now unnecessary) resume. So, yeah, I have a pretty good idea what it takes.
You make some good points below, once you get past the unjustified jab at everyone in this thread  . I am happy for you that you believe so completely in their project and hope - sincerely! - that you are right.
The proof of who or what the Westies are will become obvious in time. They have full control of that, not any of us. As the Westies say:
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| ...Until there is something to try Racing Legends will continue to be words and pictures and should be taken that way. |
I certainly agree with them.
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Jeff97x
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 20:41 |
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My post wasent really pointed towards anyone in this thread it was more to the whole racing legends community. If you read 90% of the comments about RL its people putting down chris and tony because there slow at doing what they love. I mean common the guys sold there house to help on the project. How much more committed to a project do you guys want? A lot of people if they run out of money the project stops. I didnt mean to offend anyone was not trying be negative either. Was just stating facts and opinions.
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| I still have no idea what Racing Legends is proposing to be.. it's like they're saying so much, without saying anything at all.. |
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Crotchrocket
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I honestly don't care.
They had a sponsor and couldn't satisfy them, I'm sure because the West's are too picky to ever finish. I honestly feel, that by the time they finish, technology will have surpassed the OS they made it on, so that they will completely have to redo it all. I wish the best for them, and their efforts, but feel they've had enough time. I was starting college when I first read about them. Now I have graduated, had 3 jobs, and started my own business. I felt the West's may have had something going since they "sold their houses" for the sim, and they were present at Goodwood one year, but now they've all but disappeared.
I would love to see this sim produced, and would be there opening hour it was up for sale. But, I just don't see it happening anymore. Too little news, and it is growing greater with the infrequency we hear from them or any news on game.
Why send hate mail? Because some people can't grasp this I guess. I have never sent them hate e-mail. Why would you? Have you paid anything for it yet?......
I personally sent them an e-mail about 5 years ago, praising them for their efforts and that I supported them. I still do. But I think they are going way too overboard. They could have released, then updated, ala LFS. I don't think they have anything solid but pretty screenshots unfortunately
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Bratking
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 14:28 |
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| Crotchrocket wrote: |
| They could have released, then updated, ala LFS. I don't think they have anything solid but pretty screenshots unfortunately |
If WR don't have anything playable like LFS to release, they simple can't release anything playable. Until they do one can either enjoy the renders, screens and information about the development of RL.. or leave it be.
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Randy G
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 06:51 |
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Why is this joke of a "game" still listed in the game guide section? Perhaps a new section should be made, a "Vaporware" section. Then it would be appropriate to have this here.
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