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X-Ter
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I don't actually know what kind of setup you guys at BHMS has here, but my guess is you have the site on a server and pay a pretty fair amount money for both the space and the transfer.
How about you move most the transfers from the webserver to your own computer? It would mean you'd have to have a pretty good connection on a "flatrate" and the ability to leave a computer turned on and connected at all times. Then, with the use of WinFileShare Pro found at
https://www.wfshome.com
you could manage a great deal of file handling without having to strain your web server.
I plan to use this for my own site as soon as I get mu DSL connection. I have tested it and it works really great and don't require a lot of resources to run. And you can configure it in less than ten minutes 
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hiya
Joined: 08 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 26, 20:14 |
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Bittorrent will be a welcome addition, but it definitely only works well on the most popular files, but if you use your download server as a seed...be a great solution. Consider an alliance with 3dgamers or gamershell, as others have said. It comes to a point where the benefit of driving traffic to the bhm site becomes counter-productive with those most poplular of files.
great site by the way. love it.
in other news,
Seemed to me that stenyak's "dig" was appropriate. If you want to be truly safe (what does that mean), stay off the internet.
All that you can expect is to have patches against known vulnerabilities and use a firewall. Kerio personal firewall will show every connection made by bittorrent when you run it, that is if you don't want to use netstat... or a hardware firewall, or you're on linux, or...
bittorrent is designed to be transparent about connections made, so as long as you download the client from the bittorrent site you have (in my opinion) a very good expectation of security. As always, informing thyself is the first step in understanding...
how to configure firewalls and routers for bittorrent:
info: https://knowbuddy.dyndns.org:81/torrent/btclientconfig.html
the original bittorrent site:
https://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/FAQ.html |
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kooldakracing
Joined: 05 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 16:14 |
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| hiya wrote: |
| Seemed to me that stenyak's "dig" was appropriate |
The reason that comment was not appropriate is because stanyak made it personal. He started the comment with, " This is not meant to be personal; i just cant resist:". The "I just can't resist" shows that he knew it was personal and did it anyway. To that point the discussion had been about the merits of BitTorrent. At no point did I denigrate or disparage stenyak or his POV. I merely expressed an opposing perspective. Had he expressed his opinion like you did, I would not have taken offense. Instead I would have replied like this:
| hiya wrote: |
| If you want to be truly safe (what does that mean), stay off the internet. |
You are absolutely right - the internet cannot be truly safe. However, in business you learn pretty quickly about mitigating risk. It is much like driving a car. Getting on the highway is inherently dangerous, as is using the internet. But you mitigate your risk by wearing seatbelts, buying a car with air bags, and avoiding risky behavior like DWI or driving down the wrong side of a road. One should mitigate ones risk on the internet as well by using tools like virus protectors and firewalls and one should avoid risky behavior that would expose a person to a more hazardous experience.
P2P technology has historically proven to be risky behavior. BitTorrent might prove to be different, but I don't see that just yet. I have already been on the sites you recommend, but thank you for placing those links in this thread. I have also been reading in various forums about the problems some folks have had with this software (and its various incarnations) and it leaves me concerned. BSOD, crashes, incompatibilities, etc. seem quite common. I also agree, that, "informing thyself is the first step in understanding...". But in doing so I have seen enough to convince me to avoid BitTorrent - at least for now. Our perspective on BitTorrent simply differs.
At this point I think my point has been well made through the several posts I have made in this thread. I don't think I can add anything else to the argument and no longer plan to reply to the ongoing discussion. I think it more appropriate that others continue or conclude this discussion with their individual pespectives - be they pro or con. Should someone want to discourse with me personally, please PM me. I will be glad to respond.
I suspect that, based on a post earlier in this thread, the decision to use BitTorrent has already been made. If that is the case I truly hope it works out well for the folks here at BHMS.
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stenyak
Joined: 04 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 16:37 |
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| kooldakracing wrote: |
| The "I just can't resist" shows that he knew it was personal and did it anyway. |
No. It means that, although it may seem personal, it's not. But even reading my words you decided to tell us/me (aka dig in) your life, which is something nobody asked, and means nothing in this discussion. It's like "look, i have 5 computers in my house, and i can sing and play poker, therefore whatever i say is right and you can't prove me otherwise or i'll accuse you of going against my person".
Because that's what i was doing: proving that your "point of view" is not a point of view, but a contradiction.
You've said you don't trust even an open source program. Then what are you using in your computer? Your own o.s. and browser, etc...? In that case, i admire you. Otherwise, your comments are illogical. Because, as i say, following your own reasons, you should not be using a computer connected to the internet. And that's why i "just couldnt' resist" to say it.
And now i'm a bit angry with you and the way you think your experience (which you already showed 2 posts before mine) automatically means something that has nothing to do with it. So now it's personal, and i just couldnt' resist to reply like i've done. You can now accuse me of whatever you want.
God... 
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Ivan Spruit
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 16:57 |
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Guys let's stay on topic and move the discussion to PM/email etc.
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ajp
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 19:11 |
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| I'd rather follow links to download elsewhere than use P2P software due to spy/adware it brings. But if its free and adfree I don't see why not. |
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deadly55
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 06:36 |
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i don't like bittorrent but if it keeps this site up i'm all for it
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deadzone
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 09:29 |
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Just do it. But the posting about asking softwarecompanys to provide some space for FTP download etc. is also very good.
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Vertigo6911
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 14:00 |
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Just put some bloody adds on the pages dudes!!!
theres a giant freelancer site out there that is staying alive with a single banner (E3D glasses) is it realy such a bad idea to have some banners on this site?? i mean sure no1 wants this place to be showered by prono popup adds but realy... does any1 realy have a problem with E3D glasses or HeadtrackIR banners???
or what about MOMO or Enkei or NBC NASCAR adds???
i think adds could work out fine as long as they are in frame and advertising products that have something to do with either motorsports or games.
i think p2p is a bad idea, not only will impopular files be hard to get,
once they are a month old they will be impossible to get, in fact only the largest mods can be found in p2p as it is...
lets face it p2p is for illegal copies. not for free stuff.
nobody bothers to share free stuff. and thats just a fact.
go look for skins of half-life on p2p and u will find little
go look for ut2003 levels and u will find little...
u migh find the bigger mods like DC for BF1942 and such...
but other than that i have never seen much in the way of addons on p2p.
(well ok theres plenty of nudie skins and cd hacks...but thats it)
be carefull guys, downloads are the backbone of this site and making a mistake here could kill of BHMS.
please reconsider advertisements.
or hey heres another idea... what about getting rid of the tons and tons of old crap???
i mean half the games page is filled with games that are hardly played by 2 peaple!!
get rid of that old shit and maybe u will have the space u need...
(i know its hard to let go but seriously... who the fuck still wants a Superbike World Championship Demo???!!!!!) |
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stenyak
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 14:02 |
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The problem is bandwidth, not storage (AFAIK). So removing old (unpopular) files won't help at all. Removing new popular files do. But if files are popular, they are easy to download via P2P. When files are unpopular, you can't download them (so fast) via P2P, but then they're not a problem so you can use direct download like we do now.
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sagarat
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 15:47 |
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If the problrm is that popular large files are slowing doen the network, I believe that offering BitTorrent files are the best option. Simillarly, if some people want to pay for fast downloads, then they can get the same files form a dedicated server, paid for via subscription.
For the rest of the people who do not whant to use these options, then they can simply use the main server, which may go very slow when there are popular files (as long as the main sight still works efficiently).
I was supprised to hear theat the BHMotorsports team were forking out their own personal money to satisfy heavy downloads. Personally I would personally prefer a sluggish download rate rather than have you guys out of pocket. |
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Ivan Spruit
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 17:18 |
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Hi Guys,
Here is another update. You can expect some more ads in the future. We will try to do our best to make them relevant to our site, so expect motorsport/simracing related ads, but remember that ads alone will not be the solution, we need to cut on some bandwidth too. Most bandwidth traffic is caused by popular files, so we have to find a solution to host these big and popular files. Since a paid subscription model is not an option for us (for various reasons) we will have to implement Bittorrent within our site.
We understand that this will cause problems for some people, because they are not familiar with Bittorrent, do not want to use it etc. We will provide instructions on how to use Bittorrent for the people who are not familiar with Bittorrent and another solution will be given to the people who are not able or not willing to use Bittorrent.
As mentioned by Stenyak, the problem is bandwidth not storage, so removing old files will not help and they are not causing any problems, so it would be a great loss if we should remove them.
Bittorrent works different as other P2P networks, like KazaA and Edonkey etc. It gives us the option to "host" what we want, so you don't have to search on these networks, but just have to visit bhms. Our webserver will also become a seed in the network, so a torrent will never "die" and once the files are no longer popular we will make them available for HTTP download. We will only use Bittorrent for the large and (very) popular files (movies, large patches, mods, demos), small files (skins, single cars, small updates, setups, ie. less than 10MB) will stay available as a HTTP download only.
We will soon start a test, where you can try out the Bittorrent solution.
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