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SUBARUNORWAY1
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niniendowarrior
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I'm going through an extensive programme to prepare myself for RBR. All these months are on and off on RBR in an attempt to build confidence in the surfaces.
I've gone back to out of the box RBR and noticed the modded cars were much easier to drive. Also, I can say my tarmac skills are sh*tty. I do the test tracks and the handbrake turns are fairly easy to pull off. In Jeux Vorte, I have no f-ing grip at all. The car is very difficult to drive and I'm so pissed. I haven't started fiddling setups noting I want to understand first what it takes to drive on the surface so I can prepare setups more appropriately.
My brother thinks I should just forget about the handbrakes and turn with pedal brakes. Maybe it's a sound advise, but maybe not. I need much, much help. |
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niniendowarrior
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 12:41 |
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I'm going through an extensive programme to prepare myself for RBR. All these months are on and off on RBR in an attempt to build confidence in the surfaces.
I've gone back to out of the box RBR and noticed the modded cars were much easier to drive. Also, I can say my tarmac skills are sh*tty. I do the test tracks and the handbrake turns are fairly easy to pull off. In Jeux Vorte, I have no f-ing grip at all. The car is very difficult to drive and I'm so pissed. I haven't started fiddling setups noting I want to understand first what it takes to drive on the surface so I can prepare setups more appropriately.
My brother thinks I should just forget about the handbrakes and turn with pedal brakes. Maybe it's a sound advise, but maybe not. I need much, much help. |
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dtaker
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 06:26 |
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The test tracks are easy because it's perfectly flat and smooth.. The physics may have been dumbed down too. But use handbrakes, they're the fastest way round hairpins and with practice, isn't very difficult to do.
Joux Plane is the easiest. Joux Verte got lots of uneven/sloping roads and yeah, hairpins. You really got to watch out if you're going downhill or uphill, it greatly affects braking peformance and handling. Be wary of extra oversteer (fish tailing) when braking on downhill portions(also longer braking distances) and more understeer in uphill portions.
Consequently, the handbrake will be more effective and aggressive, possibly more difficult to use on downhill hairpins and quite the opposite in uphill hairpins.
You can also tighten your diffs at higher speed to give you better stability and loosen on lower speeds to give you better agility at lower speeds in tight and twisty corners.
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Sensekhmet
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| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 19:40 |
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| The test tracks are easy because it's perfectly flat and smooth.. The physics may have been dumbed down too. But use handbrakes, they're the fastest way round hairpins and with practice, isn't very difficult to do. |
Oooooooooh, I don't know about that...
I run amateur rallies and the question of handbrake turns is the 'to be or not to be'. I've actually had a bit of a coaching with a former 7-times Polish racing champion and he showed me just how fast can you go through a hairpin just by properly loading up the front tires. I myself don't use e-brake at all (the fact that it's too weak to break traction on tarmac and that it snapped recently might have something to do with it  ): I found I very rarely miss it: maybe once every 20 stages? Then there are people for whom, pardon me, jerking off that lever between the seats is what rally driving is about.
In RBR I can't decide between using the foot brake to keep the nose planted and simply driving through the hairpin (feels much more controlled) and coming in faster and then rotating the car with the e-brake, powersliding out of the hairpin.
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niniendowarrior
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Thanks for the tip dtaker. I've been actually handling it better. I realize that unlike in gravel, you can put the power down much earlier in tarmac surfaces.
Interesting notes on the uphill downhill, I will keep an eye on that. I've been practicing on Jeux Vorte and I've been able to pull it off more consistently.
Still have some trouble if I change courses but I think that's just about getting used to the stage. |
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